Gluing back peeling paint

by David S. Lawyer mailto:davylawyer1@gmail.com

Oct. 2015. Minor edits: Nov. 2015, Jan., May, Sept. 2016, July 2017
Explains how to glue back peeling paint and prevent more peeling using a "peel primer" or the like. Presents various options of fixing peeling paint. While it's mainly for wood surfaces, some of it is valid for other surfaces.

1. Introduction

2. Conventional fix: scraping off old paint

3. Treatment depends on the paint condition

4. Applying paint, peel primer; glue?

5. Clamping down (or pushing back) peeling paint

6. Using weights (on horizontal surfaces)

7. Clamping pads and cauls

8. Sanding after gluing

9. Filling in depression in paint

10. Paint brushes and paint jars

11. Paint can lids

12. Rain and blow dryers

13. Where to work on doors, windows and wood screens

14. Concluding remarks


1. Introduction

When paint is peeling or cracking, the conventional fix is to remove the loose paint by scraping etc. and then repaint. But there are other (often better) alternatives using a liquid paint-glue-primer. One brand name is Rustoleum's "Peel Stop" which the Co. describes as a "Clear binding Sealer". Another brand is Duckback's "P3 Peeling Paint Primer". From now on these will be called "peel primer". It's like a thin glue which is painted onto (and into) cracks in paint that are threatening to peel or are actually peeling in some spots. It's thin and seeps into the tiny spaces underneath the old paint and glues the loose paint back. If some paint has already started to peel and has visually lifted up from the surface, then to avoid flat depressions on the surface, it's necessary to push it back down after peel primer has flowed under it. Then one may need to use clamps to hold the old peeling paint down against the peel primer underneath the peeling paint so that such paint will stick back onto the wood.

There are a lot of techniques mentioned in this article and understanding all of them may seem overwhelming at first. So you may want to try out various techniques as you read through this. You will learn by doing. You may also want to skip over some parts to get the the practical aspects of selecting and cleaning paint brushes, paint jars, etc.

2. Conventional fix: scraping off old paint

Old Paint may be removed by scraping, sanding, wire brushing, power washing with water, etc. If you are removing old lead paint you should take care not to breath the toxic lead paint dust and to keep the old lead paint out of the environment. For sanding, wet sanding or sanding using a vacuum dust bag and a special filter will help prevent lead dust from getting into the air. Scraping is likely to produce some lead lead dust (in addition to lead pains chips). Using peel primer as an alternative to scraping off old paint, reduces the need for scraping and/or sanding and thus helps deal with the lead problem. In most cases today, old lead paint will only be found underneath layers of non-lead paint.

But even if you are removing all the loose paint you still usually should still use peel primer. The old Paint that seems to be still firmly attached may not be fully attached to the surface in spots and may peel off years later. To reduce the future peel, you can apply peel primer so that it will seep under the edges of the top layer(s) of the old paint which remains after scraping off the loose old paint. The peel primer seeps under the edges of the remaining paint and glues it on so as to stop further peeling.

3. Treatment depends on the paint condition

A region on an old painted surface can be in one of three different states: 1. Paint OK. 2. Paint has narrow cracks in it but hasn't yet started to peel. 3. Paint has separated from the surface and is curling away from the surface (paint is peeling off) 3. Paint has already broken off from the surface, leaving an indented scar (paint has already peeled off).

A certain area may be classified as follows:

4. Applying paint, peel primer; glue?

4.1 Introduction

Peel primer is thin so that it can seep into tiny cracks. But since it seeps also into old wood, you need to apply a lot of it and give it some time to seep under the old paint and into the surface under it: wood or old layers of paint which itself may have cracks in it with wood underneath. Besides painting it on with a paint brush (or smaller artist's brush) another method is to rub it into the cracks after first painting on a heavy layer over the cracks. Still another alternative is to use a plastic putty knife to work it into the cracks.

4.2 Rubbing in peel primer and paint

To get paint or peel primer into very narrow hairline cracks its usually best to rub it in with your fingers. This gets it deeper into the cracks than just painting and the rubbing puts more of the paint into the cracks rather than leaving a thicker coat on the surface where it's not needed

When using peel primer to get into tiny hairline cracks, one may often get more peel primer into the cracks by rubbing it in. This gets it in deeper than painting with a brush or roller.. One can use ones fingers for this and even bare fingers seem to work. One can apply a daub of peel primer with a paint brush and then rub back and forth over the cracks to rub it in. If one is only doing a few tiny cracks and doesn't have a wet paint brush handy, in some cases one may simply dip the tip(s) of ones finger(s) into the peel primer (avoiding dipping in your fingernail). Then rub it in, possibly twisting a finger (and wrist) so as to use up most of the peel primer on the finger. For larger areas one may use all 4 fingers (except the thumb) to rub in peel primer. One may also need to sometimes rub in the direction of the crack to redistribute the peel primer on the surface, especially for a vertical surface where the peel primer may run down the surface due to gravity. An advantage of rubbing in peel primer is that it puts most of the peel primer into the cracks with little peel primer left on the good surfaces which might slightly discolor/stain such good surfaces if you are not going to repaint.

If you rub it in well, you may see dirty peel stop adjacent to the crack. This is dirt that flowed out of the crack and you have in effect, rinsed dirt out of the crack. This is both good and bad. It's good because now the crack is now cleaner inside and peel primer (and paint too) will better adhere inside a cleaner crack. But it's bad because now you may need to wipe dirty peel primer up with a rag or paper towel. If you don't wipe it up fast, the very thin layer of dirty peel primer left on the surface (outside the crack) will rapidly dry and leave a dirty looking spot.

The cracks will probably still be there after you rub peel primer into them, so now you need to also rub in paint into the cracks to hide them. As a shorticut you may skip the first step of rubbing in peel stop and only rub in paint, although it's probably best to first use peel primer. One way to deal with cracks that are likely to come back is to rub thicker paint into them after first rubbing in thinner paint (or peel primer) which will seep into the cracks better. But you don't need to buy thick paint, just let the ordinary paint dry a little after it's daubed onto the surface so that it becomes thicker but still remains soft. As the paint becomes thicker and has been partly rubbed in, rubbing hard will produce heat and make the paint even thicker, almost hardening the paint in the cracks.

4.3 Dried Peel primer absorbs dirt

Any peel primer left on a surface will absorb dirt over a period of time and look bad. Peel primer belongs in cracks and under paint (old or new) and not on a surface exposed to the elements (such as dust in the air). So be sure to wipe up any peel primer from any exposed surface after giving it a minute or two to seep into cracks and damaged areas. Use a damp rag or damp paper towel, etc.

4.4 Type of paint to use

For the first coat of paint over peel primer, using a paint that contains a primer (or what amounts to about the same thing: using a solid color stain) may be a good idea. You may have porous wood under cracks because: either you didn't apply enough peel primer or you missed putting peel primer in a crack (for various reasons such as: you ran out of it, it wasn't handy, you were in too much of a hurry, etc.). The primer will adhere well to porous wood and also glue back peeling paint. But it will not seep as deep into thin cracks as peel primer does and thus peeling may be more likely to happen again at these spots.

Should you use low gloss or high gloss paint for the final applications? High gloss is claimed to absorb less dirt and is more resistant to washing. But low gloss or flat paint will hide defects better and will eventually self-clean itself by chalking. The author's choice is either semi-gloss that contains primer or high gloss. For touch up work it's probably best to use whatever gloss of paint was originally used on the surface.

4.5 Brushing on paint; no drips

One problem with brush painting is that paint may drip off the brush before you get the brush to the painting surface. You may have read that you should tap the brush on the inside of the paint can or jar so as to remove excess paint and prevent dripping from the brush. But the more paint you keep on the brush, the longer you can paint with it before having to re-dip it in the paint again. Instead of removing excess paint after dipping a brush, you can hold the brush horizontally and spin the brush to keep drips from forming. There are a few ways of doing this: you may turn it with your fingers of just turn your wrist back and forth. If you use your fingers, it's easy to do this with a round brush handle. When such a brush first hits the work, it releases a lot of paint and one needs to spread out such paint.

4.6 Cleaning brushes

If you want to put less paint down the drain, try to use up most of the paint on your brush before cleaning it. Also, when done painting, put some water on your brush and brush on a large dry surface that uses this paint (which is now very thin). To get out most of the paint from the heel of the brush when washing with water, hold the ends of the bristles tightly between your fingers and shake them so as to work out stuck paint while frequently letting water run into the top of the bristles. When painting, try to minimize the amount of paint that works its was into the heel of the bush by only dipping the bristles about half way into the paint. Of course, if the bristles are short you may need to dip them in further than half-way.

5. Clamping down (or pushing back) peeling paint

5.1 Overview

There are many different ways to push back peeling paint into a surface coated with peel primer. One way is just to push with ones finger, hold, and hope it will not pop back up. Another is to sand the surface before the peel primer is completely dry under the old paint and the pressure of the sand paper pushes back some of the paint. But the surest method is to use clamps (like you would use for gluing boards together).

5.2 Pushing peeling paint back with ones fingers

If one pushes back peeling pant with ones finger(s), it will sometimes stay pushed back and sometimes it will pop back, often not jutting out as far out as it originally did. Sometimes it only pops back after a delay of seconds to minutes. It seems that with heavier glue underneath the paint, it's more likely to stay pushed back. This suggests a two-application method for such a surface: First paint with peel primer get it into the small cracks and then use heavier glue (or triple thick peel primer) under the cracks that are lifting up. Then push back on the lift-ups until they stay pushed back.

Also, letting the peel primer dry a little before pushing may help. Another trick to help prevent the chip from popping back is to push with the edge of a fingernail(s) and hold for a few seconds. This will put extreme pressure on a small area and you hope that the wood underneath doesn't get (slightly) damaged. You should experiment and if the chip pops back but still has wet peel primer under it, it may stick on the second (or third try) without applying more peel primer. If it stays stuck, it might help prevent peeling in the future if you work more peel primer into what left of the crack, especially if this crack appears to be slightly open.

5.3 Using clamps

One may use wooden boards as clamping pads. After applying peel primer to an area over which a clamping pad will go (where the paint chips were lifting up), the author started the clamping work by placing wax paper over this area. The surface may still be wet with some residual peel primer. Then he placed a board (the clamping pad) over the wax paper and used clamps (such as C-clamps) to hold this board down tight on the wax paper and peeling chips of paints. After several hours, remove the clamps and wax paper. Of course, the wax paper is to prevent the peel primer that remains on top of the old paint (both peeling and not peeling) from sticking to the clamping pad board (which is called a clamping "pad if it's small and a "caul" if it's large). See clamping pads

5.4 "Clamping" without clamps using springs and wedges

Sometimes it's feasible to clamp by just using a wood board as wedge or spring. For example, to glue back a paint chip on one side of a window jamb. cut a lath (thin board) so that the length of it, plus the length of the two wood clamping pads that you'll use with it, is a little longer than the width of the window jamb. Then install this lath horizontal with a pad on each end to prevent the lath end from scratching the window jamb on one end and to provide uniform pressure against the peeling paint chip(s) on the other end. But since the length of this 3-piece clamping contraption is slightly longer than the window width, it won't fit. However, if you think about it there are two ways to make it fit:

The pressure on the pads not only presses back the peeling paint but also keeps this 3-piece clamping contraption from falling down onto the window sill. If using the wedge method, take care not to wedge it too tight when the lath is nearly horizontal where the leverage ratio would approach infinity if all the wood was absolutely rigid and had no elasticity. Too much force can even bend weak window jambs, etc. Instead of lath, one can use other thin boards such as strips of wood cut from wood shingles or the like.

6. Using weights (on horizontal surfaces)

If the surface you are gluing back is level (or somewhat level like a sloped window sill) one can use weights instead of clamps. For example, one could take a one-inch-square homemade pad and set a (sealed) quart can of paint, etc. on top of it. A steel dolly" used for removing dents in automobiles makes a good weight.

7. Clamping pads and cauls

7.1 In general

When you use a real clamp, the two parts of the clamp that push on the wood are called pads and are usually metal. But many clamps have pads that are not large enough to cover an area of peeling paint so you need to place a block of wood on the clamp pad to, in effect, increase the area of the clamp pad. This block of wood may also be called a "pad" but if it's large (say a foot long) it's called a "caul" You can make your own clamp pads and cauls from scrap lumber. High quality plywood works well for small pads but wood boards work OK also. You may also use non-wood pads such as hard and flat plastic objects or thick rubber pads. High density sponge rubber pads (such as used for a bicycle seat) are good for gluing back paint on non-level surfaces such as curved wood molding.

Pads and cauls not only serve to push back the peeling paint but are often placed under the opposite pad of a metal clamp in order to prevent indentations in the wood on the side opposite to the peeling side. In some cases you may have peeling on both sides and use cauls or pads on both sides of the work.

7.2 Cambered (curved) cauls

If you have a narrow stretch of peeling paint a few feet or so in length, you may place a wood board (say a 1"x2" board a few feet long) over it and then use s few (or several) clamps to clamp down the caul since you must press down almost uniformly along all the length of the peeling section. But there is a way to do this with just one or two clamps and that is to use a caul that is cambered (or bowed) like a cross-country ski. When skiing on such a ski, the weight on the skier's foot is distributed on the snow along the entire length of the ski. This is because the ski is cambered and the foot bindings rest a few inches above the snow when the skis by themselves are placed "flat" on the snow (or ground) with no skier's weight on the ski. When the skier puts his weight (or half his weight) of the ski, it the ski then bend and lies flat on the snow.

For the cambered caul board, one places it (like a ski) over the peeling paint strip so that there is some air space between the middle of the caul and the peeling surface. Then one uses just one clamp to press down on the center of the caul and closes up this air space, thereby applying uniform pressure on the old paint along the full length of the caul. To do this quick, push down on the center of the cambered caul with your hand as far as you can and then slip a clamp over it and tighten. Alternatively, one may turn just the caul upside down so that the caul ends are above the peeling work and then use two clamps, one at each end of the caul.

When clamping, do you need a caul or pad on the other side of the work, to take the pressure on the non-peeling side of the work? It depends. If the work is weak you might need such a backing caul to prevent the work from bowing (if it's weak). If you are working on a work-table top and don't mind marring the under-side of the table-top with a metal clamp, then you may skip using a protective wood pad.

How do you get a cambered caul? You might use an old ski that has a lot of camber in it (for cross-country skiing, etc.), or find a board that is defective and has camber in it (a lumber yard might give it to you), or use steam to bend a board. You might try wetting a board and then clamp it with a block in the center like how cross country skis are stored to maintain camber.

8. Sanding after gluing

After the peel primer has dried, often several hours or more, you can sand the surface before painting. If there is a possibility of sanding down to lead paint, you may use wet sanding. For hand sanding, use a sanding block such as a block of wood, a plastic block of some type, or one from a hardware/paint store. If you want to sand and create a level flat surface, use a rigid sanding block instead of a flexible rubber one. There are some that have wooden handles and are used for auto body work.

9. Filling in depression in paint

When chips of paint fall off wood they leave depressions in the painted surface where the chips used to be. Often, they even take a small amount of wood with them (look at the back of a fallen-off chip). And there is often more than one layer of paint that chips off, which makes the depression deeper. Even after painting over the depression, it is often very noticeable. Should you fill them in to make it look better or just live with the depressions? Filling them in is not easy and this is one argument in favor of pushing back old paint back so as not to leave depressions. I've been told that the best filler for such depression is just more paint. Spackle is not designed for this purpose. It may not stick on very well, and might be difficult to sand off if it does stick. Some claim that wood putty will work OK but will it stick well to previous paint?

If you are using paint to fill, putting on more paint thickly is often not easy. If you can get the work surface in a level position then you can daub a thick layer of paint into the depressions. The thicker the paint the better. Make sure the paint level is higher than the surface of the non-chipped paint. This is to allow for shrinkage as the paint dries. If the surface is vertical, you will have problems with paint running down the surface. You can periodically push the runs back up to the depression as the paint is drying (a putty knife may be best for this). You don't have to constantly watch it, but return to it every few minutes at first and every several minutes later. Overhead paint is easier than vertical and often doesn't drip down like you suspect it would.

One can also apply paint to a depression with a putty knife (a plastic one may be better than a metal one). This creates a level surface but when the paint dries it may still be depressed due to shrinkage, but not as depressed as was originally. At first, press normal on the putty knife to adhere the paint to the surface and then apply more paint and press lightly over the depressions so as to get the paint level higher over depressions. Of course, you don't want to leave much paint over the non-depression area. Whether or not you use a putty knife, you need to sand the spots level after the paint has dried (or just sand the whole surface including the spots you filled).

10. Paint brushes and paint jars

10.1 Paint brushes

For painting small areas (including "touch up"), which is often the case with peeling paint, one may use artists' paint brushes purchased at an artist supply store. If you are going to do a lot of painting, don't get the cheaper artist brushes but buy the more expensive ones that will hold more paint and release it easier. Except that stiff cheap brushes are good for cleaning in corners, etc, prior to painting/gluing. Brushes are used both for applying peel primer, and for applying paint. Make sure that the paint brushes are narrow enough to fit (with some clearance) in the top openings in your paint jars. There may be cases where you just need to paint peel primer in a narrow peeled depression spot and a tiny artist paint brush about 1/8 inch in diameter, may be just what you need. With small brushes you can sometimes feed the bristles (saturated with paint) under the lifting paint to get peel primer under the old paint. A tiny brush also comes in handy for touch up of tiny spots. A small dot of new paint that is slightly off-color will not be very noticeable on a background of old faded paint. I have assorted artist brushed ranging from 1/8" to 3/4", some flat and others round. Such brushes should not leave any brush marks like some small paint-store brushes do. I also have a wide artist brush about 1 1/2" wide which I think apples paint smoother does than a paint-store brush of the same size.

Clean brushes in two steps. This first step removes most of the paint except for the heel part where the bristle are attached to the brush by a sheet-metal band. The final step cleans the heel part. For the first step, make sure the bristles are saturated with the brush cleaning fluid (water or paint thinner) and work the bristles by "painting" with very short strokes (or zero length strokes but just push the brush up and down to work the paint out. For the case of water, you can let a faucet (in a sink or lavatory) run on the brush. If there is no faucet handy, use water in a container. For the final (heel) cleaning, saturate the bristles with liquid cleaner (often just water) and then while holding the brush handle, point the bristles up and grab them with two fingers and shake them, watching the colored diluted paint escape from the bush heel (close to the sheet-metal band). For oil based paints, adding detergent to the paint thinner helps and you likely will want to give the bristles a final wash with water and detergent and then a final rinse with just water.

10.2 Paint jars

It's handy to have paint and peel primer in small jars that have a screw-on cap that can be readily opened. These are useful not only for small jobs but for work where most of the time you are waiting for the paint, etc. to dry (while doing something else). This makes it convenient when postponing a job by just screwing on a cap instead of having to pound on the lid of a paint can (and preventing the groove on the rim from scratching and rusting by using linseed oil or plastic wrap). A small, one or two ounce jar of paint is easier to hold when you are on a ladder, etc. You sometimes can buy small paint jars at an art supply store. Jars that are short and wide are more prone to spill paint while holding them and the ideal jar will be about twice as high as it is wide. The best are made out of glass or heavy plastic. Honey sometimes comes in small glass jars which may be later used for paint.

When a jar's gasket starts to fail you can replace it with rubber cut from an old bicycle inner tube or from sheet rubber you can buy at a hardware store. Also, to keep the caps from sticking (and being difficult to open) you could put linseed oil on the jar threads. Vaseline also works but take care not to get it in the paint. For hard-to-open jar caps, use a thin rubber pad used like a rag for grabbing stuck caps on food containers. If it still will not turn, you can heat it with a propane torch. Peel primer is the worst "paint" for cap sticking and since it has water in it and a metal cap will rust easily unless you protect it with some kind of lubricant. A convenient jar to use is one where the jar diameter is almost double that of the cap since the top of the jar is dome shaped (but I was told they are not sold without artist's paint in them). When paint gets stuck in the groves of the cap, you can scrape it off with a small screwdriver. When carrying a paint jar, if you hold it up straight and don't tilt it, paint is less likely to get into the cap groves and cause sticking. Not filling the jar completely when you refill it with new paint will also help prevent this. A few days after you close a paint jar, you might try to start opening it. Periodically unscrewing the caps a turn or two will help insure that the caps remain easy to open. Remember not to tilt the jar much when removing the cap.

For caps on too tight to readily open, use a rubber mat made for taking off lids on food jars. A last resort to remove a cap is to heat it but take care not to melt a plastic cap. Always heat the cap with the cap on top of the jar with the paint not making contact with the cap. A hair dryer may work for this purpose.

But a drawback to using small paint jars is the problem of filling the small jars with paint. There are pouring guides for metal paint cans made of plastic but these guides must be carefully installed and get paint on them that needs to be cleaned off after use. Another way of transferring paint is to ladle it out using say a measuring tablespoon and tilting the paint can as needed. Ladle (or pour) the paint when you are just ready to start painting and use a clean paintbrush to clean off the tools (the ladle, etc.). When this paintbrush is saturated with paint, paint with it and then brush off some more paint off your tools, etc. Then finish cleaning the ladle with water, etc.

11. Paint can lids

This tip applied to all who open paint cans a lot for touch-up painting. There are two problems with the metal lid on paint cans that you have bought in a paint store.

The rust is usually in the groove below the lid. The cause of the rust is that the water in water-based paint has gotten into the groove that the lid fits into and rusted part of the groove. There are two ways to help prevent this; Paint often gets into the groove from the lid. If the lid is turned upside-down when opened, paint from the lid surface may run down into the lid groove and then when the lid is put back on, this paint seeps into the groove below the lid (that the lid fits into). Don't let this happen. One way to try to stop it is to start painting as soon as one takes off the lid and to paint first with the paint stuck to the now exposed side of the lid, taking care that no paint flows into the lid groove. Use a dry paintbrush that will absorb a lot of paint and then after painting a several strokes, refill the brush with more paint if needed from the lid if needed.

To prevent scratches in the groove and to seal it better, use a lubricant in the paint can groove such as a small amount Vaseline or linseed oil. Don't let Vaseline get into the paint. Some use a sheet of plastic wrap (used in the kitchen) placed over the top of the can before putting on the lid but it may fold over on itself in spots. Also, using a rubber hammer when putting the lid back on will help.

12. Rain and blow dryers

When paining outdoors, if rain is threatening and you need to dry the paint or peel-primer fast, use a blow dryer (unless the area to dry is too large). You can sometimes even paint in light rain using a blow dryer (normally used for drying hair). One problem is that the blow dryer may not dry paint in narrow and/or deep cracks. Also, if too much rain moisture gets into the dryer, it may short out and stop running due to an internal fuse that hopefully will restore itself when the dryer dries out later on. It might also trip a ground-fault interrupter in your home which you must reset (push a button) to restore power. Of course the best solution is to paint well before it rains but if you want to protect exterior wood from rain damage: "better paint late than never". If it's cold and humid at night) dew may form on just-painted surfaces, diluting the paint and making it stay wet all night and thus easy to wash away with the slightest rain or drizzle.

13. Where to work on doors, windows and wood screens

For easily removable windows, doors, and wood screens, it's best to remove them (if it's easy to do) and work on them on some sort of a table. This way they lie horizontal and one can apply a lot of peel primer and paint without having some of it run down the wood. Some doors and casement windows remove by just pulling out pins.

14. Concluding remarks

Gluing back peeling paint can be a lot of work. But if you just have an occasional small spot or two that starts to peel, unscrewing a couple of jar lids and using small paint brushes might fix this in minutes. Peeling is usually caused by moisture getting into the wood and solving the moisture problem should be top priority. You may need to carefully inspect for peeling fairly often, depending on circumstances, and stop the peeling before more moisture gets into the spot that is peeling and makes the peeling worse. Situations vary and the suggestions in this article don't fully apply in all cases. There are likely many situations not covered by this article but you may be able to figure them out, possibly by experimenting with various solutions. You need to apply common sense and deviate from what is suggested in this article when feasible. Remember to use wax paper when clamping to keep the pads/cauls from sticking to the work. Even if the surface appears to be free of peel primer, clamping may squeeze out such peel primer hiding under the old paint.